The fact is Trump is going to interpret the law however he wants and it’s up to the Legislative and Judicial Branches to enforce the separation of powers, and I don’t see any clear language about a law enforcement body in charge of that. Moreover, I don’t see how that could actually be done. Therefore, let’s look at what is going to happen and what we can do.
Trump wants to deport all the Dreamers. He also wants to toughen border security to stop illegal immigration altogether. He’s spoken with Democrats recently, and one such meeting led to a six-month period in which he guaranteed that DACA recipients would not be deported in exchange for Democrats allowing them to increase the debt ceiling to dodge a government shutdown. This agreement also included a promise by Democrats to provide funding for border security and also included Trump strongly encouraging Democrats to support passage of the RAISE Act. Democrats Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, who were the principal Democrats attending the meeting with Trump, claim that Trump agreed to not include funding for the border wall at this point. However, Trump has denied this via Twitter.
Since it’s hard to know what’s really going on and the intention of this blog is to actually inform and not speculate, I really shouldn’t get into the details of that meeting because it’s hard to know what really happened.
If we do deport the Dreamers or really anyone, there will be dramatic effects on the economy, society, the government, and national security. Many researchers say the cessation of the DACA program would cost the U.S. more than $100 billion dollars. We would lose all their hard work and production. We would lose the money they spend in the United States.
I know there are many Americans that would be willing to pick fruit and work in positions currently filled by people who aren’t citizens or who aren’t even legally allowed to hold those jobs, and I really reject the narrative that Americans would refuse to do those jobs. There are plenty of people who need work. I’d even take the job working in a field because I’d get the exercise and sunshine. Perhaps I wouldn’t understand how hard it is at first, but once I’d take the job, I’d be getting paid and would likely keep the job until I find another job. If I really can’t find an other job besides picking fruit or something, then I’d be picking fruit for a while. My point is that maybe Americans should be given a chance to have those jobs. However, those workers currently holding those jobs are afforded the same rights and protections as U.S. citizens and can’t be removed from their jobs for reasons an American cannot. So, again, legally, you can follow every law you want, and you still can’t replace the migrant worker with an American based on nationality or another protected class. You just can’t do it. So if this is all about the rule of law, you still can’t do it.
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I’m unsure on the exact objective of this post. For the record I do support allowing DACA kids to stay and so does President Trump for that matter. I have not read all your posts to know exactly where you stand but I’m guessing you’re not a Trump supporter?
I think you were right on point when you wrote above, “We’re all hung up on the morality of the issue, and we’re missing the fact that there is something already on the books that tells us exactly what to do.” I would call this, “Rule of Law” … we are a Nation of Laws not of ideals of the majority. DACA was an attempt to undermine rule of law because it felt like the right thing to do.
Obama himself said this was not possible on many occasions but went ahead and did it anyway, creating a false sense of security for these already troubled community. This was a travesty and Trump promises to fix it.
The issue of concern for many Americans, that was grasped by President Trump early on, was “The Wall” … the Resist Movement does not seem willing to support a border wall. Do you see supporting a wall as a legitimate trade-off for DACA?
Millions of Americans believe a wall is required to provide security and validity to our sovereignty as a Nation. Trump won the Election running on that issue. So resisting the wall is an attempt to ignore the voters and those Americans who believe our core values as the land of Liberty is being undermined by ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION.
There is a purposeful deception driven by the resist movement to blur the lines between immigrants and illegals, a distinction understood with total clarity by informed Americans. I hope your resist efforts are to resist the ideologues who will kill DACA in an effort undermine American Sovereignty by refusing to support a Wall.
The wall issue has won the political argument on many occasions, but has yet to manifest. This link may prove helpful in learning more about this nuanced and yet highly emotional subject. https://www.usamnesty.org
I hope this comment makes sense and I am eager to get your feedback too. Thanks!
Thank you, Jay. I appreciate your comment. While I understand your point of view, please note that the rule of law does not match a crime with a punishment. It matches a criminal with a punishment.
Given that the Dreamers were forced to come here, they are not criminals. No crime was perpetrated by them or against them. They’re displaced, and we’re settling them here because they want to be here. If they didn’t want to be here, maybe another country would accept them.
This is how our country was founded.
I agree entirely with your reply … You ignored my questions which are pertinent to the issue. Can we get a wall as part of Immigration reform including DACA?
That’s a different analysis. I don’t know whether each party can come to a compromise. Compromise, indeed, is something of a taboo in some cases. If you ask me, I’d like compromise.
I don’t want a wall, but my only concern in that regard is the cost. I don’t think the wall will do anything, and I’d like to save money for something that might work.
In the interest of brevity, I’ll be straightforward: no, I don’t think we’ll get a wall as part of DACA Reform. I think we’ll continue to get nothing for quite a while.
Thanks for the follow-up comment. Compromise has become a naughty word as we become more and more polarized. I am very happy to hear you’re open to compromise to advance the DACA decision. I will be very upset if Democrats hard-line resist on this important issue that needs compromise or if the Republicans hard-line against DACA.
I am a centrist and more pragmatic than the extreme positions taken by both sides of the isle in the establishment of Washington DC. Our forefathers set up our system to be difficult to change. Requiring compromise or genuine innovation that is supported by the majority, who are willing to work the system over time to create the progress we demand as a society.
I do understand your concerns about costs on the wall. But I also think a wall is a reasonable compromise because it will slow down Illegal crossings and drug trafficking, and it will deter future administrations from pursing an open boarder policy by undermining enforcement as both the G.W. Bush and Obama Administration did.
Clinton was a much better leader on the immigration front. I believe the majority of Americans will support a compromise. I am hopeful that Trump and the Democrats can make this happen and not be thwarted by either side because of politics.
DACA is unrelated to the “wall”.
If the author doesn’t mind be jumping in here; in response to “Millions of Americans believe a wall is required to provide security and validity to our sovereignty as a Nation”.
Possibly, but that doesn’t imply much of anything. What is meaningful is that a substantial (63% +) majority of Americans adamantly oppose the wall. It’s nothing more than a grossly expensive red herring meant to continue Trump’s unfounded, xenophobic dogma.
Trump didn’t win the election solely upon “the wall”, rather an entire collection of ultra-conservative rhetoric and stated “positions”.
We are indeed a nation of laws and we can both agree that we must have law to continue as a society. However; laws without mercy and with blind obedience/intolerance is life in nothing more than an authoritarian, fascist state. “Authoritarianism refers to a governmental or political system, principle, or practice in which individual freedom is held as completely subordinate to the power or authority of the state”. Law must be merciful, which is precisely why the courts/juries are given latitude in decisions and findings.
Blindly enacting laws is just as dangerous as blind adherence to law. When we seek and reach that state, we’re no longer remotely qualified to be the moral leaders of the world, or even to be considered humane.
Blind adherence to the law is not always the right path to take, and in the case of DACA, “right/decent” is not turning our backs on people who had no choice in their circumstance, sending them to a world completely foreign to them, one they know little, if anything about, just to satisfy over-zealous adherence to the law.
Bob says 63%+ “adamantly oppose” a wall. According to whom? I’ve also seen polls that say 80%+ strongly support a wall. Unless you’re polling the entire nation, election night 2016 should have taught us that polls from either side are at best a springboard for discussion. Polls, just like statistics, can very easily be made to lie.
As for compromise, it’s good TO A POINT. There must be some things in life we aren’t willing to compromise. For Americans especially, that list should start with the Constitution. The fact that politicians of both parties now, and other parties previously, and all three branches of our government, have so willingly twisted and distorted the Constitution for their own gains and desires is one of the main reasons we find ourselves in the predicament we’re in.
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You are so right on about this. It’s not the children’s fault that their parents came here illegally . We don’t know what they went through in their own countries to make them risk every thing to come here. As for Trump, doesn’t he look in his mirror. He married two women who may or may not have come here legally and had children by them. Are they going to be sent back to Slovenia and the Czech Republic ? Just asking. Excellent post.
Thank you for comment. When I’m not blogging, I’m working on a couple different books, and one is fiction. Even with a fiction writer’s mindset, I can’t come up with any scenario in which the vast majority of these children could’ve stayed in their home country without their parents. Trump can talk all he wants, but these kids need our help, and they are welcome to stay with me if they’d like.
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